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Capture: Do the MONIAC's £400 build cost and ~2% economic-accuracy figures rest on a primary source?

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This capture directly answers the open question raised in question-verify-moniac-cost-and-accuracy-figures, which flagged two figures in claim-phillips-moniac-hydraulic-economic-computer-1949 — the ~£400 build cost and the ~2% accuracy claim — as [unverified-quant] because both rested only on the Tier-4 Wikipedia article Phillips Machine. The task was to locate Phillips's own 1950 Economica account and the historical literature it spawned, and check whether either figure holds up.

Three primary/near-primary sources were read in full this session: A. W. Phillips's own 1950 paper; Nicholas Barr's 1988 LSE Quarterly history of the machine (which quotes verbatim from LSE's internal 1949–50 correspondence — Meade's memos, Phillips's own letters); and Doron Swade's 1995 Resurrection (Computer Conservation Society bulletin) account, written as Senior Curator of Computing at the Science Museum. The answer that emerges is not a clean confirm/deny: the accuracy figure is confirmed wrong (the primary source says ±4%, not ~2%), and the £400 figure is real but misattributed — it describes a different machine's budget line than the one it's usually pinned to.

Claim: Phillips's own primary account states the machine's accuracy as "within about ± 4 per cent," not the ~2% figure that circulates today

Claim type: quantitative (technical-accuracy figure) — Tier 1–2 required; met at Tier 1, author's own words in his own published paper.

A. W. Phillips, writing in his own voice in the paper that introduced the machine to the economics profession, states directly: "The accuracy obtained depends on the precision with which the machines are constructed, but there is no difficulty in keeping it within about + 4 per cent." This appears in the general discussion of the hydraulic method (Part I), before he turns to the specific national-income models in Parts II–III, so it describes the general precision of the mechanism itself, not one specific machine's later recalibration.

Provenance:

Claim: The ~2% figure traces to Nicholas Barr's 1988 LSE Quarterly history, stated there without citation, and is contradicted by two independent Tier 1–2 accounts (Phillips's own paper and Science Museum curator Doron Swade's account of the machine's actual calibrated scales) that both say ±4%

Claim type: quantitative claim, with a bibliographic-attribution component (where the popular figure comes from) — Tier 1–2 required; met.

Nicholas Barr, LSE economist and the author of the standard scholarly history of the machine (written using LSE's own archives), states: "The machine does not merely give a qualitative answer: it is calibrated to an accuracy of + 2 per cent." No citation accompanies this sentence in Barr's text — it reads as Barr's own characterization rather than a quote from Phillips or from archival correspondence. This is very likely the proximate source of the ~2% figure that now appears in Wikipedia, Engineering New Zealand's heritage page, and other tertiary retellings, since Barr's is the most detailed and most-cited scholarly account of the machine.

That figure is directly contradicted by two independent sources: Phillips's own 1950 paper (Claim 1, above: "± 4 per cent"), and Doron Swade's 1995 account of the actual restored Science Museum machine, which states: "If the settings represent a viable economy the model stabilises and the quantitative results can be read from scales calibrated to 4%." Swade is describing the physical scale markings on a real surviving machine, not repeating a secondary figure, and his figure matches Phillips's own general statement rather than Barr's. Two independent Tier 1–2 sources — the inventor himself and a Science Museum curator describing the artifact directly — agree on ~4%; only Barr's uncited aside gives ~2%.

Provenance (Barr):

Provenance (Swade):

Claim: The popular "£400 to build the machine" figure is real in the archival record, but describes the materials budget for a different, later machine than the one it's usually attached to — the original 1949 Croydon-garage prototype was funded by a £100 advance from Leeds University, not £400

Claim type: quantitative claim, with a bibliographic-attribution component — Tier 1–2 required; met via Barr's transcription of LSE's own 1949 internal correspondence.

Barr's account, drawing on LSE's institutional archives and James Meade's personal papers, states that after finishing his degree in summer 1949, Phillips "received the Leeds advance of £100 (about £1250 at today's prices), bought a number of perspex tubes and valves" and built the first prototype in the Langleys' garage in Croydon — funded by £100, not £400. The £400 figure appears later in the same record, in a different context: a 7 December 1949 letter from James Meade proposing how LSE (not Leeds) would pay Phillips to build a second, improved machine for the School in 1950: "the total cost of the machine not to exceed £700 ... This would allow £300 for Mr Phillips' salary for six months plus £400 for the cost to him of getting the machine made." Barr further notes that the engineering firm actually contracted to build that second machine, White-Ellerton Ltd, "was to be paid £400 ... to cover the cost of materials and his own time."

So there is a real £400 in the primary archival record — but it is the 1949 LSE budget allowance for constructing the second machine (delivered to LSE in October 1950), not the cost of the original Croydon-garage prototype that popular retellings (Wikipedia, Engineering New Zealand, HandWiki) attach it to. That original prototype's documented cost, per the same source, was £100.

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Central question status

Do the MONIAC's £400 build cost and ~2% accuracy figures rest on a primary source? Resolved, and the resolution is that both popular figures are off. The accuracy figure does not survive contact with the primary source: Phillips's own paper and an independent Science Museum curator's account of the artifact both say ±4%, not ~2%, and the ~2% figure traces to an uncited aside in a secondary (though expert, archive-based) 1988 history. The £400 cost figure is genuinely in the primary archival record, but it prices the wrong object — LSE's 1950 second machine, not the 1949 Croydon prototype, which the same archive prices at £100. Neither figure should be recorded as confirmed at face value; both should be corrected in claim-phillips-moniac-hydraulic-economic-computer-1949 using the sources above rather than left [unverified-quant] — the primary material to resolve them turned out to exist and was read this session.

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