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Capture: Which appeared first — LeCun et al.'s NIPS 1989 conference paper or their Neural Computation 1989 journal paper on backprop for handwritten digit recognition?

LeCun et al. published essentially the same Bell Labs handwritten-digit-recognition work twice in close succession in 1989: once as a NIPS conference paper ("Handwritten Digit Recognition with a Back-Propagation Network") and once as a Neural Computation journal article ("Backpropagation Applied to Handwritten Zip Code Recognition," see claim-lecun-1989-first-practical-recognition). The question of which "appeared first" turns out to have two different correct answers depending on what "appeared" means — conference presentation vs. dated print publication — and this capture records both halves precisely rather than collapsing them into one date.

Claim: The NIPS conference at which "Handwritten Digit Recognition with a Back-Propagation Network" was presented was held November 27–30, 1989, in Denver, Colorado

Claim type: historical/bibliographic (a date and location) — quantitative-adjacent (specific date), so Tier 1–2 required. Achieved Tier 1: dblp is a primary computer-science bibliographic record, not a secondary retelling.

"Advances in Neural Information Processing Systems 2, [NIPS Conference, Denver, Colorado, USA, November 27-30, 1989]. Morgan Kaufmann 1990, ISBN 1-55860-100-7"

The individual paper's own dblp entry records it within that same conference, at pages 396–404, with editor David S. Touretzky.

Provenance:

Claim: The bound NIPS proceedings volume containing that paper (Advances in Neural Information Processing Systems 2) was not itself published until 1990, a year after the conference

Claim type: quantitative (publication year) — Tier 1–2 required. Achieved via convergence of two independent bibliographic-database sources.

dblp's citation for the volume itself (not just the conference dates) reads "Morgan Kaufmann 1990" (quoted above). Independently, Open Library's catalog record for "Advances in neural information processing systems" edited by David S. Touretzky gives:

first_publish_year: "1990"

This is a load-bearing point for the "which appeared first" question, so it is worth flagging as escalated past the historical-claim floor: two independent library/bibliographic catalogs (dblp, Open Library) agree the proceedings book itself post-dates the conference by roughly a year, even though the paper is conventionally cited as "LeCun et al. 1989" and the NeurIPS Foundation's own modern proceedings website catalogs it under the heading "NIPS 1989" (https://proceedings.neurips.cc/paper/1989) rather than 1990. That official NeurIPS heading uses the conference year as a retroactive label for its digitized archive, not necessarily a claim about the physical book's print date.

Provenance:

Claim: The Neural Computation journal article was published December 1, 1989 — before the NIPS 2 proceedings volume appeared in print, but after the NIPS conference itself was held

Claim type: quantitative (specific date) — Tier 1–2 required. Achieved Tier 1 via OpenAlex, which mirrors publisher/Crossref metadata for this DOI.

OpenAlex's structured record for the Neural Computation article (DOI 10.1162/neco.1989.1.4.541, resolved and confirmed live at https://direct.mit.edu/neco/article/1/4/541-551/5515) gives:

publication_date: "1989-12-01"; publication_year: 1989; host venue: Neural Computation (The MIT Press), Volume 1, Issue 4, pages 541–551.

Combined with the two claims above, the sequence is: NIPS conference presentation (Nov 27–30, 1989) → Neural Computation print publication (Dec 1, 1989) → NIPS 2 bound proceedings volume in print (1990). By presentation date, the NIPS paper came first, roughly a month before the Neural Computation article was printed. By printed/citable-document date, the Neural Computation article came first, appearing about a year before the NIPS proceedings volume that contains the conference paper was actually published.

Provenance:

Central question: answered, with the nuance stated above

Which appeared first? Depends on the sense of "appeared":

Neither half of this is [unverified]: both dates are corroborated by Tier 1–2 structured bibliographic sources (dblp, Open Library, OpenAlex) rather than secondary retellings. The only softness is that popular citation practice (including the NeurIPS Foundation's own modern archive site) labels the conference paper "1989" regardless of the proceedings volume's actual 1990 print date, which is a convention worth naming explicitly rather than treating as a contradiction.

Further leads

Source

Tier 1 dblp (bibliographic record); OpenAlex (structured metadata); LeCun, Boser, Denker, Henderson, Howard, Hubbard, Jackel (paper authors) accessed 2
https://dblp.org/rec/conf/nips/1989.html
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