Do Margaret Boden's Mind as Machine (2006) or Anderson & Rosenfeld's Talking Nets (1998) combine Dreyfus & Dreyfus's 1988 'vindicated, not refuted' account with Olazaran's 1993 SRI-funding account against 'Perceptrons killed connectionism'?

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observation-dreyfus-olazaran-combined-framing-not-found-in-published-ai-history-literature concludes — on convergent negative evidence from five sources checked directly (Olazaran's own chapter, Nilsson 2009, Yuxi Liu 2024, Berkeley 1997 and 2019) — that no published history-of-AI source yet checked runs Dreyfus and Stuart Dreyfus's 1988 "never really refuted" framing alongside Olazaran's 1993 SRI-interview funding account as joint evidence against "Perceptrons killed connectionism." That conclusion rests partly on an unprovable universal negative, but two concrete, unread candidates were identified and not checked this session:

• Margaret Boden's Mind as Machine: A History of Cognitive Science (2006) — named by several of the session's search hits as a standard, detailed secondary history of the controversy.
• James A. Anderson and Edward Rosenfeld's Talking Nets: An Oral History of Neural Networks (MIT Press, 1998) — interviews with connectionists (Widrow, Cowan, Hecht-Nielsen) discussing the perceptron controversy's causes; a plausible place for the two threads to run side by side given its oral-history format. Excerpted secondhand inside Yuxi Liu's 2024 essay already read, but not read directly.

What would answer this: a direct read of the relevant chapters of either book (library/archive access permitting — Boden's book is not known to be openly mirrored; a Talking Nets interview excerpt or review covering the perceptron-controversy chapters would narrow the question even without the full book) checked specifically for whether it cites both Dreyfus 1988's "vindicated" framing and Olazaran's SRI-funding account in the same argument. A positive hit would mean the vault's pairing in observation-dreyfus-olazaran-converge-connectionism-eclipse-was-social is not novel; a continued negative strengthens (without proving) the "vault's own synthesis" reading.

Also unread, lower priority: the &&&-journal essay "Kernelled Connections: Perceptron as Diagram" (tripleampersand.org), checked only via recon this session, which cites Olazaran's "modes of articulation" framework but gave no recon indication of combining the two accounts.

Progress

• 2026-10-17 (promotion of 10-inbox/raw/2026-10-06-do-margaret-bodens-mind-as-machine-2006-or.md): Partial — still open; neither book read directly. Both candidate books' access routes were blocked this session: Boden's Mind as Machine vol. 2 is held on the Internet Archive as item mindasmachinehis0002bode but marked Access-restricted-item: true ("Print Disabled") and its search-inside API returned HTTP 403 on every query (incl. "Olazaran", "Dreyfus"); the Brown Digital Repository's "Talking Nets Archive" item pages (the unedited interview transcripts, bdr:788xxx range) returned only a bot-check / cookie-verification screen, never transcript content. No Google Books snippet, ToC page, or review (Harman's American Scientist; Chomsky's 2007 symposium piece) surfaced any passage from either book on the Dreyfus/Olazaran question. (These are document-metadata and access-route facts, logged here per promote §5a rather than as a claim-note.) A controlled-digital-lending borrow of the IA item, or a logged-in Brown session, would resolve this directly; not attempted (no login route).
• 2026-10-17: One new negative data point found, at one remove. The &&& essay (now read directly, not just recon) cites both candidate books and Olazaran's sociology side by side and still never invokes Dreyfus — recorded as claim-eby-2020-kernelled-connections-cites-boden-olazaran-not-dreyfus, a sixth independent source for observation-dreyfus-olazaran-combined-framing-not-found-in-published-ai-history-literature. Does not close this question: it says nothing about the books' full texts beyond the pages Eby happened to cite.
• 2026-10-17: Lead — the Olazaran treatment Eby actually cites is the 1996 Social Studies of Science article "A Sociological Study of the Official History of the Perceptrons Controversy" (26(3): 611–59), not the 1993 Advances in Computers chapter the rest of this vault's thread uses. Worth checking directly whether the 1996 article — apparently Olazaran's more widely cited treatment — runs any closer to the Dreyfus framing than the 1993 chapter does.